The Moos Room™

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Brad
And welcome to the Moose Room. Yes. It's not Brad today by himself.

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Emily
I got invited back again.

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Brad
Yes, exactly. I invited Emily back again to join us. It's always good to see Emily's smiling face from the computer. Even though I don't see her very often anymore. In person.

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Emily
I just exist on the screen now.

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Brad
That's right. But yes, Emily is here. It is December, early December in Minnesota. It's cold. We're all freezing.

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Emily
We're all covered in a blanket of snow as well.

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Brad
Correct. And yesterday I was out unfreezing cattle waters just because that's what I do. I don't know, it's like I'm still 17 years old, trying to figure out why the kettle water is still frozen, but.

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Emily
So weird how, like, the temperature goes down and water freezes. I feel like.

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Brad
That's one thing they didn't teach me in college.

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Emily
Well, somebody better contact the University of Minnesota then,

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Brad
That's right.

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Emily
All right, well, Brad is kind of burying the lead here because it is not just me and him. We're also joined by a guest today. Very, very excited to have this guest with us. We are joined by Doctor Angie Varnum. The. I'm still going to say new. She started in July. Right. July. Our our new, extension veterinarians.

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Emily
So welcome, Doctor Angie, to the newsroom.

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Angie
Thanks, Emily. Thanks, Brad. It's quite an honor to be here as a a faithful listener.

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Emily
Well, yes. We're always excited when, members of the Mus crew get to get to join us on the podcast and be a part of an episode.

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Angie
I didn't know we had a name.

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Emily
Yes. The fans or the crew? Yeah. Yeah. So, listeners, if you didn't know that you're all a part of the Mus crew.

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Brad
That's right. And we are the OG.

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Emily
Yes.

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Brad
Before we get started, as always with our guests, we have two super secret questions. Sometimes they catch them off guard, but what is your favorite breed of beef cattle?

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Angie
My favorite breed of.

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Emily
Cattle are.

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Angie
The Shorthorn.

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Brad
We will accept Shorthorn. Yes.

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Emily
It's always good to know. And I'm always interested when we ask the beef cattle breed question to a veterinarian. Angie's a veterinarian. We'll talk more about that later, right? Because, like, you know, veterinarians have seen a lot more than us. And I feel like, you know, you've probably had a few less than pleasant experiences with a few breeds.

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Emily
I won't name names. Right. So it's always interesting to hear, like, ooh, what is the breed that they're like, yeah, I like this one.

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Angie
You know, you're exactly right. I have to say, I have yet to meet a Shorthorn that wanted to kick my head off. And I just really appreciate that in the in the boots that I wear that they've they've all been pretty easy going for me. And that really biases my opinion.

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Emily
That's fair. I, I you know I get that.

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Brad
Okay. Well it's been a while since we've had the rundown. So here it is. Black Angus still in the lead 19 Herford. The correct answer. 14 Black Baldy. Five Scottish Highlanders. Five Charlie, four Red Angus. Five Shorthorn. Now for Shorthorn is gaining.

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Emily
Hey!

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Brad
Simmental two Belted Galloway two, Brahma two and all with one stabilizer. Galbi Keanna Angus hosting the Laura jersey, Holstein Belgian Blue Brangus, Piedmontese White Park, miniature skylark, Scottish Highlander and a Charlotte Red Angus Cross.

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Angie
Well, I didn't know we could get that specific.

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Emily
Well, it's. Do you want to change your answer? No, I stand firm.

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Brad
Hereford at this point.

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Emily
Yes. Well. And I can just see the look on Angie's face. She's like those those 17 people that pick Black Angus. We're not veterinarians. Yeah, right.

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Brad
Okay, well, the other question is, what is your favorite breed of dairy cattle?

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Emily
I was going to say.

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Angie
Shorthorn for both, but I'll I'll.

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Angie
I'll step out of the box a little bit. And, you know, it might not be a popular opinion, but I still really like those brown Swiss.

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Emily
All right, all right.

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Brad
Brown Swiss is gaining well.

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Emily
But the brown brown Swiss is acceptable. So I'm happy to do what I can. Yeah but it's not black and white. So he's happy. All right.

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Brad
Anything else besides that? Yeah. Okay. Here's the rundown. Holstein still in the lead with 29 jersey. The correct answer is 20 Brown Swiss gaining now 14 for Brown. So there are a lot of other people that like Brown Swiss do not be the. Argh! Three Dutch belted three Guernsey three. Shout out to Taffy Ayrshire three. Milking Shorthorn three.

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Brad
Normandy two. So yes, quite the whole parade of breeds, isn't it?

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Emily
We have no singletons on the dairy breeds, which is.

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Brad
Oh, we don't, we don't.

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Emily
All of them have good support.

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Brad
So anyway, now that the fun is over.

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Emily
All right, now we got to get down to business.

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Brad
Exactly. So Angie is the new livestock veterinarian for University of Minnesota Extension. So tell us a little bit about your background. Like how did you get here? And, you know, you obviously you went to vet school, where did you grow up and and where did you go to vet school and, and, how did you end up an extension?

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Angie
To sum it up briefly, I ended up in extension because I have interests in both animals, obviously, veterinary medicine and teaching. I grew up in Minnesota, here in Maple Grove, which is, if you're not a minnesotan, is a suburb pretty devoid of beef or dairy cattle. But my family and my, later to be husband's family, shout out our, cattle ranchers out in North Dakota.

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Angie
And I grew up with horses, so I'm not a I'm not naive to the dangers of working as a large animal veterinarian, but in fact, I didn't want to be a veterinarian right away. And I, I respect those who know from the get go, but I really didn't know. And in a lot of ways, I think all of us are trying to figure out what we want to be when we grow up still.

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Angie
But I kind of knew I didn't want to be a vet, and I studied, at South Dakota State University for my undergraduate degree, where had the great experience of being around a lot of animal science folks. So people who were coming from a background with cattle more than I was. I remember my roommate in college, she taught me a lot.

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Angie
She was, raised beef cattle in Iowa, and she taught me a lot in those first couple of years of my animal science classes, you know, learning the terminology. So I was not a farm kid, but I was appreciative and, had some really great experiences at South Dakota State there, though, I actually studied to be a teacher, and I studied Spanish education, which I think is really important for some people to hear who are really hoping to go to veterinary school, that you can do it your own way.

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Angie
And so that's sort of what I did. I, I always wanted to teach, I always knew that, but I tried teaching Spanish and I did teach Spanish for a couple of years in the high school and middle school level, and that was so challenging. I respect teachers and always, well, so much. I had some really fun days and some really, really challenging days and I thought, you know, I wish I could teach about animals again.

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Angie
And luckily enough, I had the opportunity to work with a nonprofit around the time when I was teaching and studying to be a teacher that really existed, to bring veterinary medicine and education to.

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Emily
Rural.

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Angie
Populations. And some of those were in Latin America, where I could utilize my Spanish, degree and my Spanish language skills. And fortunately for me, I was connected with a really inspiring and unique group of veterinarians who ultimately inspired me to believe in myself that I could go to veterinary school and that I could someday merge that with my my primary career of teaching.

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Angie
And so I was lucky to be accepted. After a few years, and to Colorado State University, where I studied for my DVM, that's Doctor of Veterinary Medicine and a master's degree in public health. And,

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Angie
I really focused there on large animal medicine. I knew I, I enjoyed pretty much everything except dogs and cats. Certainly you have to do a lot of work with dogs and cats in order to get that degree. But I knew that wasn't where I would land, so I had some great experiences out West.

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Emily
And.

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Angie
Back to North Dakota, Wyoming, Colorado, and worked at some bigger beef operations. From the veterinary standpoint, as well as some really great dairies in northern Colorado. And when I graduated, that was in 2019, and my husband and I, we decided we'd like to move back to Minnesota to be near to family. And, so I'm just rounding out here six years of being in a large animal private practice in, kind of back in, in the north west metro, but kind of stretching out to some more rural areas outside of the, Minneapolis Saint Paul metro region.

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Angie
So kind of in Central America, where I or Central America, I, have it on the brain, central Minnesota. And, in that practice, I would treat dairy, beef, small ruminant and, some horses, some pigs, some chickens here and there. And I really enjoyed the variety and the people I got to work with. And when the chance to return to somewhat of a teaching role came about, I was really, lucky to, find this position with the University of Minnesota.

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Brad
Well, you have been everywhere and done a lot of different things. I'm intrigued about, Spanish language. And I think that's always an important fact, especially at least working in the dairy industry, where were getting a lot of, Hispanic workers and things like that is there, you know, what do you hope to maybe bring to this position or work with farmers or other people in Minnesota or beyond, from a maybe a Spanish language role?

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Brad
Or how might that fit into your your job? It's very interesting. I think we we don't see that very often, especially in, you know, the, the livestock world that we all work in.

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Angie
I was surprised in my previous position in private practice, I was surrounded by a lot of non Spanish speaking employees. I ate in agricultural settings, mostly because the majority of the operations that I was seeing as clients probably mostly employed family members and, and, and I didn't really get to utilize, you know, I didn't get to connect with, I should say, as many of the people that I have been fortunate to work with in Northern Colorado, where I think it's a comfort level to have someone who speaks your language.

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Angie
But really, that's not the we've learned. That's not the only that's not the only thing that matters when when really making a connection and leading an educational program. But I guess what I would like to like people to know is that I'm here, and maybe a possible connection for some programing in the Spanish language. I have quite a bit of experience working and teaching in the Spanish language, including in the agricultural setting and with, you know, animals who are, who are, who are a business and their health is really important.

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Angie
And, and that includes kind of noticing the subtle signs that you might need to notice, especially if you're newer to agriculture, animal agriculture or especially if you're newer to to watching and caring for animals or milking them or what have you. In Colorado, when I was studying there, there, there is and and was quite a strong, impact being made by Colorado State University extension in training, especially for dairy employee employees in just making the concepts relevant and helping out the the owners of dairies who maybe needed some ongoing training and needed some continuing education for their for their employees.

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Angie
And I think there is an opportunity in some pockets of the Upper Midwest to bring that to, extension services.

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Brad
Yeah, I totally agree, I totally agree, and I know because working with, Oh, what what what I want to say we're doing an I school coming up, actually, as we speak, it'll be this week, as this podcast come out. But there has been a request for some Spanish speaking people to attend that even one of our employees from our research center is attending.

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Brad
He understands English, but I think he's much more comfortable working in the Spanish environment and and can process things so much faster in that. So I think it's a good thing that you bring that to the table. And, certainly I think there'll be a lot of opportunity for that here in the future. What are some of the things that we're seeing in the sort of livestock world now, from a veterinary perspective, that we should maybe be concerned about?

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Brad
You know, there's a lot of different topics, you know, and I've covered some of these before. Yannis Lucas is, you know, we we haven't covered screw worm. On this podcast yet, but maybe we will at some point. I was having a conversation with a Mexican farmer just over text, within the last week, and he's telling me it's going to come here, and we just got to be prepared for it, so.

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Brad
Or what do you think? What's in your crystal ball? What do you think? From a livestock perspective, that we should think producers or maybe the industry should think about or be concerned about.

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Angie
I think any time we're talking about infectious diseases. So diseases that spread from animal to animal or animal to human are I think they're very intriguing for veterinarians, for sure. That's our bread and butter. But also for people who have maybe their first experience with such a disease or they're hearing about it for the first time. It can be quite exciting because we sometimes don't have anything to connect it back to.

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Angie
Like a flesh eating worm that eats live tissue is fascinating and it makes media headlines. And that's just one example. There are lots of diseases where I think knowing the pathway of how it gets from one animal to another can really help us to feel more prepared and to feel more like we're not wasting our time. I'm not really in the business of being an alarmist, I, I always think, oh, I'd like to save my chips for when I really need them and when I really need to be concerned.

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Angie
And if you're if you're a farmer, you have made a living by not getting overly excited about things coming at you. You have to stay the course. So many things are outside of your control. And that's true with diseases, disease outbreaks that are coming at us. It's really imperative, I think, in this position, to kind of help people to understand what is noteworthy and what is something that we can kind.

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Emily
Of.

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Angie
Be prepared and aware about, but not really have have a need.

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Emily
To panic.

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Angie
One of the opinions I form forms through being in practice is that if you're if you are monitoring your animals in whatever way that that looks, some for some of us that's with our hands and our eyes and others it's through assisted technologies. There's nothing that can replace that. There's nothing that can replace that time intensive aspect of of management and managing your animals really well.

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Angie
And so although I'm a veterinarian, I really respect all of the aspects that go into having a healthy animal up to and including the disease aspect and the health aspect, but everything else as well, you know, maintaining a healthy herd. I just have so much respect for people who are out there doing it day in and day out, and they know their their animals and their stock well.

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Angie
So that's really what motivates me. And extension is to support the people who are, you know, doing that, whether they're in on the beef side or the dairy side. That's the golden ticket. But it's the hardest thing to do. Well, other things that have me. What did you say concerns. Concerns in.

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Brad
I don't know if it's in.

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Angie
Livestock.

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Brad
Or anything. That's, that's, you know, you're interested in from a livestock perspective and it doesn't always have to be a concern. It's maybe like you were, you know, you like working with farmers that are doing this or doing that or. Yeah, I know, cause sometimes we always think about, you know, we're always we're always putting fires out, you know, it seems like that.

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Brad
But that's what I always have. It's like, oh, well, we got this problem, we got this problem, or we got this problem, or we get this problem. And I don't know, I don't necessarily like to focus on all the problems all the time. I think there's good things out there that everybody's doing. So, you know, maybe there's some good, good things that you like to focus on or something you might want to work with.

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Angie
Sure. I try to keep an eye on the, science behind on cattle behavior, and I think there's a lot coming out right now, especially in dairy cattle behavior about, you know, tracking behaviors in order to indicate health challenges earlier and early ahead of time. And also just cow comfort. It's it's the foundation of veteran of of of, excuse me.

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Angie
It's the foundation of of maintaining dairy animals. But I really am fascinated and really interested to bring that side into any health discussions. Animal welfare, something that really motivates me as a science, not as a discussion of of, you know, biases and opinions. But how can we use the science of what the animals are telling us to impact their environments and how they're how they're living?

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Brad
Yes, I think that's what really that's what we're all here for, is to serve, producers, dairy producers, beef producers, other livestock producers, whether you're in Minnesota or, you know, around the world, really, you know, we're we are certainly global in our reach and our ability to help people all over the world. So here's Brad's trap question for you.

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Brad
Great to the debate. Have a have a debate. So I don't use a veterinarian to Prague Czech anymore. I do it all with milk and blood, am I wrong? Should we be moving? You know, should what? What is the role? What do you see as the role of a veterinarian nowadays? Is it to come out and just protect my animals?

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Brad
You know, I debate this with veterinarians all the time. You know, is it worth it to you for to protect my animals? I don't need your help demanding animals, disputing animals, you know. What do you see is the role of veterinarians in helping livestock producers.

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Angie
Brad, are you happy with your milk and blood test results?

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Brad
95% of the time, yes, 95% of the time.

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Angie
Unless you really actually want it to be positive. And if it's a negative or vice versa. Sometimes.

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Emily
Okay.

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Angie
There is no one way for a veterinarian to be successful in large animal veterinary medicine. Every single veterinarian, every veterinary practice has the prerogative to make the decisions of how they want to measure success. And that's not unlike how you, as a producer in this case, have to make decisions for your operation. And it's going to depend on your goals.

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Angie
For some, the goal is I really want someone around once a month or every other week, maybe more frequently, because I want to have those eyes on because either I can't or I'm not or whatever some people really value, I would say more than the arm. They value the head and the eyes, because maybe they're maybe they experienced a bad situation, or maybe they just want that foresight of I want to know that I'm not missing something.

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Angie
I want someone else to miss it. If they're if it if I'm going to miss it. I think overall, in my experience, veterinarians want to be valued for more than their brute strength and their ability to put an arm up a cow, to put it crudely. And so, although a really great practice builder is the opportunity to be on farm every so often, at the minimum once a year in order to make any sort of worthwhile recommendation.

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Angie
I don't think that all veterinarians, some are not. Not everyone, is like, hey, I'd really like to be the one to palpate of all of your animals. I think they would like to provide other services to dairy farmers. And if I'm being really honest, I think we're sort of at a growth point or an evolution point, especially in dairy medicine.

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Angie
What it means to be a dairy vet. I have some really great colleagues that I've been a part of. New bovine or a recent bovine veterinary, cohort from all across the US. And, and there are some of us in that cohort who call. We just wanted to get out and we wanted to see sick, sick cows to individual cow medicine, because that's where you learn.

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Angie
You learn to do the surgeries, you learn to diagnose things with your eyes and your nose and your ears. You're not really able to do a lot of fancy diagnostics or statistics, but you learn medicine. And then there were others in the cohort who were like, I knew I wanted, I wanted the true dairy veterinarian experience. I went out to Central California and I palpated, you know, behind a palpation rail for most of my days.

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Angie
And then I went back and I sat on the, you know, at the office, and I looked at dairy comp and I helped producers make decisions on that scale. And so I just think there are a lot of ways to be in a relationship with a veterinarian, and there are a lot of ways for veterinarians to make their career choices, too.

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Emily
And if.

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Brad
Yeah, I agree, I think, you know, having that relationship with your veterinarian certainly helps out with many things, and they shouldn't be just viewed as a preg check or, d horn or something like that. You know, for those of us on the dairy side, we have to follow farm programs and the veterinarian has to sign off that we actually have a relationship with these producers.

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Brad
And it's not just, oh, I come out once a year or do things like that just so they can sign off on my form. So I think, yes, you are correct. I, we, we need to have those relationships. And I think it's different for everybody. You know, I prompted the question about preg checking for us. That's not our relationship.

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Brad
But we have lots of other reasons to have the veterinarian around. So what what what are you looking forward to doing here in your, extension livestock position? You know what? What are some things you've got planned? What are some things you'd like to, to share about with others that, you're going to be working on?

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Angie
I am most excited to better understand the state since I wasn't previously covering the entire state of Minnesota. And so I'm having the opportunity to do that pretty quickly here with some of the aforementioned events. So big picture. Some of the things that I'm working on relate to my role is on by design, a bridge between the veterinary industry in Minnesota and livestock producers in Minnesota.

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Angie
And the way that that could shake out could take many forms. But I'm most excited about about that role and, really excited that extension has prioritized, you know, bringing that that connection because we all want the same thing. We all want healthier, better livestock. And to have a little fun while we're doing it to ideally. But, some of the upcoming events that I'm looking forward to, I'm sort of, like assisting or I'm, I'm speaking at or I'm offering a veterinary perspective as our as are you Brad, you're speaking at some of these coming up.

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Angie
Are the the artificial insemination school, which will be the first is my understanding, to be offered in Minnesota by the U of M extension team, and that is, in Pipestone December 11th and 12th. And then extension offers typically, beef quality assurance. If you haven't taken it through another route extension also offers a free beef quality assurance certification.

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Angie
And that fits right in my wheelhouse. So I will see you there if you're planning to or already registered for any of those. And then I mentioned cow calf days, which happens in a northern Minnesota tour. And then a southern Minnesota tour early spring. So I will be present at those. And then I'm also working on quite a few things on the small ruminant side, given that I come from a small ruminant background and private practice, I saw a lot of sheep and goats and really enjoy working with them and their owners, and so we have some, some exciting, things coming up on the the sheep and goats side, including a webinar in December.

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Angie
It's December 22nd. How about creating your small ruminant management calendar and then some lambing and kitting workshops in the spring?

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Emily
I think, that's that's.

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Angie
Kind of what's rolling around on, on my agenda. And extension really puts a lot of I don't know if you want to edit this out, but extension really puts a lot of emphasis on doing some, you know, getting to know what the needs are and doing a needs assessment, understanding, you know, what's missing. What what haven't we tried or what where is it.

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Angie
Time to try again. And so part of my role, I think in the first year is just to really listen well and understand well and and try to meet as many people as I can to understand more about the state outside of central Minnesota, where I've been living for the last six years.

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Brad
Thanks, everybody. We'll catch you next episode.

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Emily
Rummaging through the room and venturing across the Alamo. Amazing. Probing through the reticulum, meandering about the amazing, moving through the mouth and getting through the esophagus.

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Emily
And.