The Moos Room™

Emily
And welcome everybody to the Moos Room. Do not adjust your dial. You are here incorrectly. This is Emily. I am not dead. I am still around. I am still doing the podcast with Brad. I have had a mighty, mighty busy couple months here. And so Brad was really handling the podcast in my stead. And for that, I am very grateful.

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Emily
Thank you. Brad.

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Brad
You're welcome. I think I just made up excuses. Oh, I don't know what Emily's doing. She's doing something or I think the last few it was like, oh, I don't just Brad, just Brad. Is Emily here? Is Emily ever coming back? I knew you would. I knew you would.

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Emily
I always do. Yeah, I just like I mentioned, it's been a busy time. I've had a lot going on, and Brad and I were talking that. That's probably really what we're going to focus on today. Let's kind of catch up. Talk about what is happening, maybe what we're looking forward to. We're really getting into spring in earnest here.

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Emily
As of the day we're recording this, we kind of had our first true bout of severe weather in southeast Minnesota last night. I'm not sure if you got any of that, Brad.

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Brad
I didn't know you could keep your tornadoes in the south right.

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Emily
We'll keep our tornadoes. We'll give you all the blizzards. Bradley. Out west there. But. Yeah. Bradley, what what have you been up to? Like, what's on the to do list right now for things that Morris for you.

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Brad
Oh, it's it's been crazy trying to get a few things going. I, I, I'm the crazy one that thinks up of all of these ideas and then just goes and does them. I think probably the newest one that I started last week is virtual fencing. So I, I've been training 20 heifers on my virtual fencing, and it's been interesting to say the least.

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Brad
Everybody thinks I'm crazy because they're like, what? How can you have heifers, especially dairy heifers in like no fence. Like there's a perimeter fence, but otherwise that's it. So the first day was a little challenging as usual. I would say the the virtual fence, it's kind of it's kind of a big contraption that hangs under their neck. It's kind of like if I were to put bells on all of my cows.

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Emily
Okay.

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Brad
So I don't know if they really liked it very much. It took them probably a couple hours before they settled down, because you put this big collar around their neck and they don't know what it is, and then you adjust them with a training pasture. And it's been getting better across the week that I've been training. So the first couple days a lot of, heifers got audio cues.

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Brad
So that's when they're approaching the virtual fence. That means you should turn around. And yes, they do get a shock if they cross the boundary. So a few have gotten some shocks as they've crossed the boundary. But it's getting better now. Actually it's this afternoon when we've recorded and there's nobody with any shocks or any audio cues so far today.

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Brad
So I think they're starting to realize now I just got to make the fence smaller now. Now I start, I have to adjust it again. So they see. But I don't know. This is my, this is my quest to prove people wrong because, you know, that's that's what I like to do.

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Emily
Brad, is all about proving people wrong. Yes.

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Brad
I shouldn't say prove people wrong. I they just say that. Oh, you can't do that or that will never work. Well, okay, I'm the guy to try it out. So most virtual fence has been in beef and I'm going to put it in dairy heifers and probably put it on some lactating cows. So we're going to see where that goes.

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Brad
It's quite interesting.

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Emily
Because in theory the real benefit here is it makes rotational grazing easier, right. Because you aren't out physically moving around those inside fences. You just have one big perimeter fence like you mentioned, and then within an app or something, or on a computer zooming. Right. You just said this is where the pen is going to be. So there's not that extra labor piece of moving the fence, right.

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Brad
It's just an app and a fence every day. Yeah, it's all GPS signal.

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Emily
So and it sounds like too the app reports to you like what the cows are doing. Like if the collars have been activated or had to deliver a shock, it tells you all that.

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Brad
Yep. Sends me a notification that says, hey, somebody, something's happened, or some people have escaped or something's going on. So it's yeah, it's kind of interesting. I, I'm the, the crazy one that somebody has asked me to do. Like, I could graze a field at the end of fall and just put the heifers out there, set a virtual fence, and they should stay in.

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Brad
And I said dealing. Yes, yes.

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Emily
I'm sorry.

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Brad
I think in the fall we're going to try it. The crazy enough to do that. So we're going to try it and see what happens. Probably just during the day, you know, maybe I'm not going to leave them out there overnight, but.

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Emily
The, the safety person in me would also encourage you to maybe just give the county sheriff a heads up that you're doing that, you know, just in case somebody finds themselves on a roadway.

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Brad
Yes. Just in case the they escape. Now, it it will tell me if they escape. It does shock them a little bit to help them to turn around. But at some point it stops shocking.

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Emily
Them just beyond the border.

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Brad
At some point, once they get to a certain point, it plays a Norwegian lullaby. I don't know why, but that's what it does.

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Emily
Well. You're serious? You're not kidding.

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Brad
No, I'm. No, I'm serious, I'm serious. That's what it does. It's a it's a Norway. I have the, the Norwegian, virtual fence. Because that's the one I could easily get here in the Midwest. They're not other virtual fences. Haven't been easy to get, but yes, it will play a Norwegian lullaby at some point. If you if they escape.

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Emily
Just try to put put them to sleep until they can be found or something.

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Brad
I guess. I guess.

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Emily
I should be.

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Brad
Able to. It's all GPS so I can look on my app and it will tell me exactly where they are. If if I have an escape, I can. It's like, oh well, they got out overnight. Where are they? Well, I know exactly where they are.

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Emily
Wow, that's really handy.

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Brad
I don't know Brad's crazy ideas. That I just need to, just to see what's going on. You never know. I'm always trying new things.

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Emily
So. Of course, you may be familiar that we have talked about virtual fencing in the past on the podcast. So if you want to catch that conversation that is back on episode 262, episode two six to where we're talking about Virtual Fences with Maranda Meehan. From India.

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Brad
That was a long time ago. I guess we'll, I will probably give a much more in-depth, what's happening about my virtual fence as the summer moves along. And once we figure out what it's all doing, I've actually been I've actually been asked to come out to New York and talk about it already, and I have, and I just put it on ten days ago.

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Brad
Well, the problem is, is that most virtual fences we see and beef cattle and nothing wrong with that. But I work with a lot of dairy producers and they're like, well, can we put it in dairy? What's you know, we don't see anybody doing it in dairy. So that's what, people want to know about. Can we put it on dairy heifers, milking cows, you name it.

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Brad
So we're going to crazy. Brad's going to figure it out.

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Emily
One way and add it again.

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Brad
One way or the other. But no, it's it's nice. It's spring is coming. The grass is is growing. I can't wait to put the cows on pasture. You know, we're probably approaching our first grazing here pretty shortly now after it rained.

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Emily
But the target date.

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Brad
My target date is May 12th.

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Emily
Oh, okay. Yeah.

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Brad
So which is actually about two weeks away. I hope I can make it that date, but some sometime that week, May 12th through the 16th. That's my hope to get cows out on grass at least starting to graze maybe half a day, graze during the day, and maybe still supplement at night. But, I think the cows are waiting there.

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Brad
They're already reaching underneath the fences as they walk by the cattle lanes. They can. The grass is growing so they're not.

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Emily
Reaching.

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Brad
So, it'll be exciting to, get the cows out on pasture. I can't wait, because then, although I can't wait, but that means then more work for Brad.

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Emily
But I know you enjoy your time out in the pastures as well.

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Brad
I do, I do. I have five in undergraduate student interns this summer. Yep, I went overboard. Well, I didn't say I went over because I have enough, I right? I have enough work for everybody to do and train some good students and research. So I think it's, it's a good thing. It's a good thing. But I have fly projects, I have parasite projects, I have agro voltaic solar grazing projects, virtual fencing projects, mastitis projects, feed efficiency, heifer projects.

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Emily
Is that all, Brad?

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Brad
It's that all that is. Yes. And plus all my extension work too. All my extension work, which is going well. Lots of summer field days coming up things because you.

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Emily
Are doing a field day with the agro voltaic stuff.

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Brad
Oh yes, June 27th. We actually have a bunch of webinars on Agro Volt X as well. Maybe I'll add those to the show notes. Our first one is actually tonight. Nobody will hear that, but I'll put the recording link. We're talking about cattle and solar grazing next month in May. Is sheep grazing underneath solar panels. Then we have a actual on in person field day, June 27th here in Morris, Minnesota.

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Brad
To talk about solar and cattle grazing and show off a lot of our solar grazing stuff. And then we have, one in August that's talking about forages grown on solar panels and then I think September is solar developers speaking with solar developers and all of that. So, yeah, lots of good that that is Sabrina Florentino, my former graduate student and myself that are planning all of those.

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Brad
Well, she's probably doing a lot of the planning. I'm helping coordinate some of the stuff. So lots of stuff. Lots of good stuff. We have over 200 people registered for our webinar, our cattle grazing webinar tonight. So all over from all over the world.

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Emily
Wow. That's awesome.

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Brad
Enough about me. What are you doing, Emily? Like, I've been trying to cover for you for. I don't know, you know, I haven't. When was the last time I actually talked to you? I think, you know, Brad went to Florida on vacation for a week, and I traveled a lot, and I haven't heard from Emily since.

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Emily
I think it's been over a month since I've been on the podcast.

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Brad
Right, right.

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Emily
So I yeah, I, I know that I have been absent. I know some people have been contacting me asking if I was still on the podcast, you know. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. They well, they wanted to make sure you didn't fire me, Brad. But you don't have that.

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Brad
Well, that's because I just don't remember. It's like, I introduce the podcast and it's like, oh, just Brad and then I just go on with what I'm talking about. I don't make excuses anymore. For Emily.

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Emily
It has been The Brad Show, and I'm sure our listeners have enjoyed that.

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Brad
So yes, my former student who lives in South Dakota. Yes, Emily, still on the podcast.

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Emily
You know who you are exactly. Yeah. But it has been, a busy time, of course. And if you've been around the podcast here with us on the zoom for a hot minute, you're like, we know that typically in April, I do have several weeks where I am just absolutely slammed with travel. And so that's what most of April was for me.

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Emily
I was doing a lot of travel within Minnesota as well as without had the chance to go out to Albany, New York to give a training. Did went to some conferences in Minnesota. Have really been doing a lot of work, both with farm safety and our farm stress work as well. Been a lot of, yes, travel and outreach and lots of exciting stuff.

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Emily
And also, we know that there are certainly some challenges in agriculture right now as well, too. And certainly my work does help support people who may be experiencing challenges and so have been busy in in that capacity as well. And now we are really quickly sprinting into spring. And so as I've wrapped up all that travel, it's basically all sights set on our summer programing.

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Emily
So of course our youth tractor safety program, we will be getting that registration up and running in the coming weeks and doing those programs over the summer. That is always a big one, that we work on this time of year. And of course, just all of those spring safety reminders this time of year is really important.

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Emily
I had the opportunity to go on a couple of our, you know, agricultural radio networks in, in Minnesota to do some PSA about sharing the road. Of course, we've talked about that extensively on this podcast. And that's always, a big topic this time of year. So that's really what I've been up to is, is traveling and and making sure people are safe while they're traveling as well.

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Brad
What did you do in, in New York?

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Emily
So, Jennifer McGuire, former guest of the Moose Room, and I were out there to train a bunch of our extension colleagues from the northeast region on our ambiguous loss and farming program. So that's one of the farm stress programs we do. So, yeah, we were training extension professionals from Penn State, Cornell, Delaware, Maryland, Rutgers. I know I'm missing a few.

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Emily
Yeah. So that was really great. And that's been a lot of fun to see. That program also be used, all across the country. And of course, that's one we're doing here in Minnesota. If you work with the Minnesota Dairy Initiative program at all, most of their coordinators are trained in that program as well, which is very exciting.

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Emily
So just another way that we can do, more outreach as we just try to all help each other, right? Like I said, I day to day, we're all okay. But there are some big things, right? Big challenges that are in front of us right now. And that can be stressful, right? I think we all have a lot on our plates and a lot of things that occupy our mind on our time, and that is a big thing I'm focusing on right now, both just right personally in my own life and in my work as well, is, you know, knowing that it's okay to to cut yourself a little slack and to step away

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Emily
from things that, right, will be there when you come back to them as well.

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Brad
Can you repeat that for me again? Because I probably need to hear that 500 times.

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Emily
Bradley J Hines you can step away from things and they will be there waiting for you when you get back.

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Brad
Good, I hope so.

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Emily
I also have you know what? Since we're on that topic, I have one more quote that I've really been sharing a lot in these types of spaces with people. You can do anything, but you can't do everything.

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Brad
Yes, that is probably true.

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Emily
Although there is a reality check for you. Brad.

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Brad
Yes, I can't do everything, although some days my mind says that I can do everything, but I never.

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Emily
You certainly try to do everything, that's for sure.

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Brad
I try to, I try to, but.

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Emily
So, you know, all of us, right? We all we can do anything, but we cannot do everything.

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Brad
We all need to step back and, smell the roses once in a while because it it it's it's good.

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Emily
We all need to take breaks to take care of ourselves. Right? I always, always say it like self-care is not selfish, right? People think I might sound so silly saying take a 30 minute break. Like, take a quick nap, get something to eat. I write because there are days myself. Today is a perfect example. So we are recording this today in the afternoon.

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Emily
We started our recording at 2 p.m. right before we got out this recording, I was shoveling lunch into my mouth. Okay, right. So like I was not I had not taken the time all day to stop and eat. I skipped breakfast today too. So like, yeah. 1:45 p.m. was my first meal of the day. That was not good and I have been struggling all morning.

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Emily
Just like with focus and feeling like such a slog. And then as soon as I ate, well, probably. And as soon as I saw Bradley's face, you know, I just felt totally perked up. And so, yeah, like, I was like, I don't have time to eat, right? I have so much work to do. And then I took the 15 minutes to stop and eat and wow, I feel so much better and have so much more energy and can be so much more productive.

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Emily
And so just know that those breaks and doing those things for yourself, they may feel like they are stopping you or right stopping your time. They are going to help you get things done faster. Take it from me. Lived experience today is a perfect example of that.

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Brad
Yeah, it's been crazy for me. I, I and people know I've been well. I haven't felt great the last two years with my, Lyme disease. And maybe we'll talk about that next week or when one time here in May about how that's going. But I've been starting to feel better. And then I got back into some of my old habits of thinking that I can do everything and I maybe shouldn't, like honey.

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Emily
And then that made you feel bad again.

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Brad
But I.

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Emily
Cleared.

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Brad
Exactly.

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Emily
Exactly.

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Brad
Yep. I don't learn, Emily. I don't learn.

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Emily
It. Well, all we can do is just try to be better the next day.

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Brad
You need to live closer, so you can hold me more accountable, right?

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Emily
Right. We could be walking buddies.

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Brad
Right? That's right.

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Emily
Yes.

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Brad
Well, it sounds like you've been kind of doing lots of good stuff with farm safety as we come into the planting season here, at least in the upper Midwest, everybody's driving tractors. It's actually in western Minnesota here. It's been going crazy for the last week anyway. Everybody planting corn and small grain. So it's it's, it's planting season and we all need to be cognizant about that.

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Brad
And you will get to where you're going, but you don't have to, pass the tractor and cause lots of accidents or other things like that. It's it's all right. Slow down.

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Emily
So I'm curious, Bradley, you know, because I've been out to Morris, I'm sure some of our listeners have. And for those of you that have not, where the farm is on Morris. Right. It's kind of a large, sprawling farm campus, as it were. Right. There are multiple building. There's some different field sites, with the cattle pastures and stuff.

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Emily
There's actually it's split across a roadway. So I'm curious, like, just within moving around the Morris farm, what sort of protocols, if any, like do you guys have in place just for moving around there? Right. I mean, I've been there. I've observed some things lights, flashers, etc., but can you maybe just talk a little bit because I know to some of our listeners, right, are on farms that are large operations or maybe even kind of a multi-site operation, which I kind of consider Morris to be personally.

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Emily
So maybe just kind of run through that. Or do you guys like right. As you prepare, do you give any reminders? Right. Is there like a spring safety email that goes out hint hint or something. Now I've set you up

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Brad
Yeah. Well there's, there is some, some safety trainings related to tractor safety that we do just refreshers you know how to deal with vehicles because we're driving tractors on state highways and city streets just to get to some of our land. So I think be cognizant of what you're doing. Stop at the stop sign is one that we tell people you can't do rolling stops.

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Brad
You just need to stop. The other one probably. There is no hurry. You don't have to be at full speed on the tractor the whole time. You can you can slow it down, be a little more cognizant of where the traffic is. Obviously all of the flashers, those type of things. But we try to do some safety. The other safety thing that we do is all of our ATVs.

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Brad
We do, ATV safety as well for all of our employees, students. Just how to don't floor it. You don't have to you don't have to be going 150 miles an hour all the time where your seatbelt does that is probably the one thing we're all guilty of it. Those ATVs have seatbelts for a reason, just like cars and trucks and tractors and everything else, right?

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Emily
If it has a seatbelt, it's because you're supposed to wear it.

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Brad
Right? Yeah, we have to. We wear seatbelts in our tractors, all of that stuff. So wear seatbelts on the ATVs, don't turn sharp corners. Stop at the stop sign. You have to do all of that stuff. Actually, with the ATVs, we do a probably a lot of training of driving in the ditch. Because we with a lot of some of we're on like major state highways and it's like, well, you don't want to drive the ATV on a major highway with semis and you name it.

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Brad
So it's like, well, how can you safely drive in the ditch without, you know, slow because you never know when you might hit a hole or a culvert.

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Emily
And you don't want to tip over, so.

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Brad
You don't want to tip over.

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Emily
So saying all of that, we'll have to do an ATV. Yeah. Like we should buy side safety episode because I love talking about like active versus passive riding and we'll have to do that this summer. So stay tuned for that because of course ATV safety is a huge concern. The spring and summer months are when we see the most incidents and fatalities with ATVs.

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Emily
And that includes an agricultural setting. So many ATVs are used by a wide variety of people, but farmers are a large, chunk of that audience as well. So it's great to hear the Morris is providing training. And, you know, I'm thinking of your five interns starting. I know they'll get the full safety rundown on everything and then some, and then two more times over, you know, and that's just what it's all about, is those reminders, those things we know.

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Emily
And. Right. I'm thinking about those interns of yours, Brad, who probably, I would guess at least a couple of them come from farms. Have some experience. Yeah. But we'll have different experience than what Morris does. Right. So just being able to adapt to a different environment as well and, you know, different protocols, all of that good stuff.

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Brad
Right? Yeah. Definitely. Definitely. It's everybody should do some safety trainings no matter if car. Well we don't know. We we already know how to do all that stuff. Well it's always good to have a refresher course. Even if the our ATV safety is 15 minutes. It doesn't have to be longer than that. It can be short.

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Emily
And that's a great point, Brad. You know, when I'm saying safety trainings or meetings for farm employees or whatever. Yeah, I'm not saying you need to spend. Yeah. Like an eight hour, you know, three credit course on this. But 15 minutes a quick reminder. Right. A poster added in the break room with some tips. Just those little things will also make a difference.

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Emily
Those those reinforcements of good habits. Well, Bradley, have we done it? Have we officially gotten caught up?

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Brad
I think we have. I'm sure. Emily, you and I could go on for hours on catching up on all of the stuff happening in our lives, so. But I think we'll probably.

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Emily
For the sake of our listeners, though. Right?

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Brad
I think we'll end it there today.

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Emily
I think we'll end it there. And, you know, stay tuned. I, I am planning to be back next week. So will I make it two weeks in a row and.

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Brad
We should place bets.

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Emily
Out I think I will. So but with that, we thank you all for listening. If you have any questions, comments, or scathing rebuttals about today's episode, you can email those to the Moose Room at Umkc. Edu, you can find us on the web extension at UMD. You learn more about farm safety and find some Spring Farm safety tips at extension at UMW, slash Farm Safety, and check out what Brad is up to with his virtual fencing and other toys on The More History by finding him on Instagram at n c Rock dairy.

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Emily
And that's a wrap. Thanks for listening. Bye.